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Armada ARV 84 R vs Black Crows Octo

The ARV 84 R and the Octo compared. They share 84 mm underfoot. The ARV 84 R is 50 g lighter at the default length (1,625 vs 1,675 g). Turn radii are 14.5 m and 14 m.

ARV 84 R
$400 MSRP 5 lengths · 150, 157, 164, 171, 178 cm
Black Crows Octo — topsheet
Octo
$949 MSRP 4 lengths · 167, 173, 179, 185 cm

Where each ski sits across every ski we carry

ARV 84 R
Octo
Waist
84 mm
84 mm
Narrower · firmer-snowWider · powder
Weight
1,625 g
1,675 g
Lighter · playfulHeavier · damp & planted
Tip taper
33 mm
46 mm
Straighter · grippyMore taper · loose
Turn radius
14.5 m
14.0 m
Shorter · quickLonger · stable

Head to head, by character

Each ski's own read, side by side — the same three things that define how it skis.
Turn & shape
A 14.5-meter radius sits in the all-purpose range — turn shapes that shorten up or open out without committing to either; a moderate tip taper keeps turn entry easy while the shovel still engages.
A 14.0-meter radius covers versatile, all-purpose turn shapes; a generous tip taper keeps turn entry easy and the shovel quick to engage.
Stability & dampness
Built without metal, it's lighter and livelier underfoot — easy to release from a turn and quick edge to edge. At 1,625 g it stays light and maneuverable.
Built without metal, it's lighter and livelier underfoot — easy to release from a turn and quick edge to edge. At 1,675 g it stays light and maneuverable.
Float & width
At 84 mm it's an all-rounder leaning toward firm snow — enough width for soft conditions, still quick on edge. Rocker at tip and tail lets it smear and release easily, while the camber underfoot keeps an edge.
At 84 mm it's an all-rounder leaning toward firm snow — enough width for soft conditions, still quick on edge. Rocker at tip and tail lets it smear and release easily, while the camber underfoot keeps an edge.

Full spec comparison

SpecARV 84 ROcto
Waist 84 mm 84 mm
Sidecut 117·84·109 mm 130·84·117 mm
Weight @ default 1,625 g 1,675 g
Weight range 1,625 g 1,525–1,825 g
Turn radius 14.5 m full-length 14.0 m full-length
Metal None None
Core Hybrid core Not published
Lengths 150–178 cm 167–185 cm
MSRP $400 $949